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    Default Day without immigrants.

    If they are talking about illegal immigrants im guessing most Trump voters wont notice any difference.
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    They make produce cheaper. Don't know any people who would want to go pick tomatoes at below minimum wage, even at minimum.

    As for the "event" I thought it was just in DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budikah View Post
    They make produce cheaper. Don't know any people who would want to go pick tomatoes at below minimum wage, even at minimum.

    As for the "event" I thought it was just in DC.
    They seem to be promoting it for the whole country.
    I doubt its going to be noticed in many read or even purple townships.
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    So illegal immigrants are going on Strike huh? Maybe they should STRIKE up a conversation with a bus driver or air line pilot on their way back the $#@! home. The hilarious part is they want to make it sound like its all Immigrants, but what LEGAL immigrant would want illegals to stay here? They actually went through the process of becoming a legal American citizen, paid their dues, waited in line. Its ridiculous. In Iowa you know who de-tassels the corn? High school students, these "Minimum wage" blah blah poor illegal jobs everyone yaps about should just be done by who has done them for the last 100+ years. High Schoolers. They need jobs too. For the record corn de-tasseling pays a $#@! load of money.

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    What was this supposed to accomplish besides advertise which businesses abuse wage slave labor?
    Imagine if you were so corrupt that you used your grotesque power to become a presidential candidate and then your entire party crashed and burned because of how much of an evil, dishonest person you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longhaul View Post
    What was this supposed to accomplish besides advertise which businesses abuse wage slave labor?
    It was supposed to show you that you can't live without illegal immigrants.


    Anyways there are positive and negative to illegal immigrants. Most of the negatives are caused by the government not the immigrants. For instance one that a lot of people don't think about is the fact that you as a US citizen can not compete with them when negotiating for a job effectively. I.E. they can outbid you everyday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ysuro View Post
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    What was this supposed to accomplish besides advertise which businesses abuse wage slave labor?
    It was supposed to show you that you can't live without illegal immigrants.


    Anyways there are positive and negative to illegal immigrants. Most of the negatives are caused by the government not the immigrants. For instance one that a lot of people don't think about is the fact that you as a US citizen can not compete with them when negotiating for a job effectively. I.E. they can outbid you everyday.
    Everyone thinks that's bull$#@!, but a company my brother in law work for went out of business because of illegals. His friend ran a stonemasonry company in part of CO. They weren't getting rich but making a living. Some guy brought in a crew of illegals and started underbidding on every job. His friend couldn't match those prices and make a profit.

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    What was this supposed to accomplish besides advertise which businesses abuse wage slave labor?
    It was supposed to show you that you can't live without illegal immigrants.


    Anyways there are positive and negative to illegal immigrants. Most of the negatives are caused by the government not the immigrants. For instance one that a lot of people don't think about is the fact that you as a US citizen can not compete with them when negotiating for a job effectively. I.E. they can outbid you everyday.
    Everyone thinks that's bull$#@!, but a company my brother in law work for went out of business because of illegals. His friend ran a stonemasonry company in part of CO. They weren't getting rich but making a living. Some guy brought in a crew of illegals and started underbidding on every job. His friend couldn't match those prices and make a profit.
    The fault is with the US government and the minimum wage. It just showcases one way that minimum wage hurts people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ysuro View Post

    The fault is with the US government and the minimum wage. It just showcases one way that minimum wage hurts people.
    The fault with murders is the government and the rules against killing other people. It just show cases how rules against murder hurts people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ysuro View Post
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    The fault is with the US government and the minimum wage. It just showcases one way that minimum wage hurts people.
    The fault with murders is the government and the rules against killing other people. It just show cases how rules against murder hurts people.
    You seem to have missed the point entirely so.

    I will try and explain the point:

    You being a legal citizen are bidding for a job against an illegal immigrant. You have to abide by all labor laws of the USA, for instance minimum wage. The illegal immigrant does not have to abide by the labor laws including minimum wage. So you are unable to bid lower than minimum wage as your labor cost, the illegal can undercut you for the same job every time. Then you don't get the job. So the illegal isn't the one that created the unfair playing field it is the government that did.

    i.e. without government intervention you could negotiate your compensation for yourself.
    Or perhaps the person who knowingly hired a work crew full of illegals versus the one playing by the rules.

    None of that is their fault of course - morality doesn't matter when all you care about is making one number larger and another smaller.

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    The fault is with the US government and the minimum wage. It just showcases one way that minimum wage hurts people.
    The fault with murders is the government and the rules against killing other people. It just show cases how rules against murder hurts people.
    What should the minimum wage be then? I'd love to hear what you've got to say on this issue with your vast economics background.
    As opposed to 0 as he suggested?
    Should it be $22/hr like Elizabeth Warren suggested?
    Differs from place to place. Rural areas cannot support the same that others can.

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    You're not getting your message across by crippling your own communities for 1 business day.

    Want to get your message across? We can start by having a higher voter turnout than 55%.

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    Funny my son goes to a magnet high school- to make the area look better on scores it's in a predominately hispanic neighborhood.

    The only thing they taught him was how much nicer the day was overall with them missing.

    I had to laugh when he told me.

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    The part that makes it possible for you to bid that low in the first place, thus $#@!ing over the people who choose to support their own countrymen and play by the rules everyone else is.

    Knowingly hiring somebody who uses illegal labor to drive their costs down just hurts other hard working people. If nobody in town is willing to go that low in cost and a guy shows up with an offer too good to be true, something has got to be up. Nobody works for free.

    When you hire illegals, it forces more people to do the same to keep competing, and then you reach the point we are at now.

    As for the last part, I'd just find something else to do. There are a multitude of jobs and ways to make a living - you aren't stuck with one that makes you choose between morals and a paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budikah View Post
    The part that makes it possible for you to bid that low in the first place, thus $#@!ing over the people who choose to support their own countrymen and play by the rules everyone else is.

    Knowingly hiring somebody who uses illegal labor to drive their costs down just hurts other hard working people. If nobody in town is willing to go that low in cost and a guy shows up with an offer too good to be true, something has got to be up. Nobody works for free.

    When you hire illegals, it forces more people to do the same to keep competing, and then you reach the point we are at now.

    As for the last part, I'd just find something else to do. There are a multitude of jobs and ways to make a living - you aren't stuck with one that makes you choose between morals and a paycheck.
    Without government intervention the problem would go away is my point, and it would. The idea that one person is in the right and the other in the wrong is itself created by the government.
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    Apparently as of this moment grabbing pussies and potential pay to play schemes aren't on the disqualifying list.

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    Why not just source labor from anywhere? Citizen, non citizen, etc - $#@! it, just go with whoever will work for the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budikah View Post
    Why not just source labor from anywhere? Citizen, non citizen, etc - $#@! it, just go with whoever will work for the least.
    Or whoever will do the best work at the best price. I agree.
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    I envision a brave new future of people from third world countries being shipped over to work for the bare minimum and kept in the cheapest possible living conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budikah View Post
    I envision a brave new future of people from third world countries being shipped over to work for the bare minimum and kept in the cheapest possible living conditions.
    You know you described the UAE. I got to spend some time in their lovely labor camps in the middle of the desert.

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    I think this strategy was pretty questionable. However, it went by totally unnoticed by me today too.

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    A friend of mine decided to follow his love of cars. He had a successful career in mortgage, at a young age. But he wasn't happy. He quit and went back to trade school. He now does body repair. His base pay is $95k - he makes more. Yes, he is great at what he does, Yes, he put in years barely making enough to live while he built his skills and reputation...but his hard work paid off. Working class def needs more respect.

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    Forgive the anecdotal rant, but listening to one of my coworkers go on about needing illegal immigrants to pick crops because Americans wont (aka who else will work under the table for less than minimum wage with no benefits or protection so I can have cheaper vegetables) was pretty aggravating.
    Imagine if you were so corrupt that you used your grotesque power to become a presidential candidate and then your entire party crashed and burned because of how much of an evil, dishonest person you are.

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    Because crop picking is so seasonal and requires so much moving through the season(in addition to the general unpleasantness) it will probably be done by Mexicans largely for the foreseeable future - even if they have to legal on temp work cards.
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    Of course licensed. I don't see how any sensible person would imply that he wants people to learn half-ass'd, unlicensed or uncertified trades.

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