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    Default Dex break points

    PLEASE PM ME WITH ANY UPDATES OR CORRECTIONS

    CREDIT GOES TO Slajzer

    I originally made this test to show that 386 dex didn't cap 2.8s spells. I didn't at all expect what i found though, so i continued my testing.



    Method:
    I clocked the time it takes to cast 100 spells and that's pretty much it. I started by putting all points in dex at creation, get aug dex 5 etc to see the what i got with the highst possible dex, then i removed items and clocked a new time. If the new time was different from the first one, i adjusted items, starting points and RAs and tested a number between the two. I then repeated this untill i found the "breaking point.

    Not all tests were done with 100 casts as i didn't have enough power. The spreadheal (3.5s) for example was tested with 25 casts and then multiplied by 4.



    Result:
    1) There are "breaking points" where your cast speed gets significantly faster.
    2) Anything in between these breaking points gives very little or no return.
    3) Maybe someone will, but i fail to see a pattern in these breaking points.
    4) The breaking points seem to aply to all spells with the same cast time, but i have not and am not going to test it for all spells.




    I HAD 10% CAST SPEED DURING THE WHOLE TEST




    Breaking points:
    2.0s ---> 392 dex, 344 dex, 337 dex
    2.1s ---> 356 dex, 354 dex, 308 dex
    2.2s ---> 374 dex, 368 dex, 320 dex
    2.3s ---> 386 dex, 380 dex, 332 dex
    2.4s ---> 392 dex, 350 dex, 308 dex
    2.5s ---> 362 dex, 319 dex
    2.6s ---> 374 dex, 332 dex
    2.7s ---> 386 dex, 344 dex
    2.8s ---> 392 dex, 356 dex, 320 dex
    2.9s ---> 368 dex, 362 dex, 332 dex
    3.0s ---> 374 dex, 338 dex
    3.5s ---> 356 dex, 326 dex




    The test:

    (2.0s delve) Tested with Mentalist nearsight
    407 dex = 95.4 sec
    395 dex = 96.0 sec
    392 dex = 95.6 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    391 dex = 111.0 sec
    390 dex = 110.0 sec
    388 dex = 110.8 sec
    374 dex = 110.6 sec
    360 dex = 110.9 sec
    355 dex = 110.8 sec
    346 dex = 111.0 sec
    344 dex = 110.9 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    343 dex = 118.2 sec
    341 dex = 117.8 sec
    338 dex = 118.3 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    337 dex = 125.6 sec
    318 dex = 126.4 sec



    (2.1 sec) Tested with 2.1s greater heal
    382 dex = 94.9 sec
    357 dex = 96.4 sec
    356 dex = 96.8 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    355 dex = 102.4 sec
    354 dex = 102.9 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    353 dex = 107.3 sec
    352 dex = 107.4 sec
    350 dex = 108.0 sec
    342 dex = 110.4 sec
    326 dex = 110.0 sec
    311 dex = 110.8 sec
    309 dex = 111.2 sec
    308 dex = 110.6 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    307 dex = 119.6 sec
    306 dex = 118.9 sec



    (2.2 sec) Tested with 2.2s greater heal
    382 dex = 95.2 sec
    375 dex = 95.2 sec
    374 dex = 94.8 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    373 dex = 99.4 sec
    371 dex = 99.5 sec
    368 dex = 99.6 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    367 dex = 110.3 sec
    365 dex = 109.2 sec
    364 dex = 110.2 sec
    362 dex = 111.0 sec
    352 dex = 110.7 sec
    346 dex = 111.2 sec
    339 dex = 110.4 sec
    326 dex = 111.6 sec
    321 dex = 112.8 sec
    320 dex = 113.2 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    319 dex = 125.5 sec
    316 dex = 125.0 sec
    311 dex = 126.2 sec



    (2.3 sec) Tested with 2.3s greater heal
    391 dex = 94.6 sec
    388 dex = 94.4 sec
    386 dex = 94.3 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    385 dex = 99.8 sec
    384 dex = 98.9 sec
    380 dex = 98.7 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    379 dex = 109.7 sec
    378 dex = 109.6 sec
    363 dex = 110.0 sec
    351 dex = 110.8 sec
    338 dex = 110.0 sec
    332 dex = 111.2 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    331 dex = 125.9 sec
    330 dex = 126.1 sec
    329 dex = 125.7 sec
    326 dex = 126.0 sec



    (2.4 sec) Tested with 2.4s greater heal
    392 dex = 96.2
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    391 dex = 109.8 sec
    386 dex = 110.8 sec
    361 dex = 110.2 sec
    358 dex = 110.9 sec
    353 dex = 110.8 sec
    351 dex = 111.7 sec
    350 dex = 111.0 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    349 dex = 126.1 sec
    336 dex = 126.2 sec
    325 dex = 126.2 sec
    313 dex = 126.4 sec
    308 dex = 126.3 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    307 dex = 140.0 sec
    306 dex = 142.6 sec
    304 dex = 143.0 sec
    299 dex = 142.2 sec



    (2.5 sec) Tested with animist lifetap and 2.5s heal
    402 dex = 110.4 sec
    394 dex = 110.7 sec
    380 dex = 110.9 sec
    373 dex = 111.3 sec
    367 dex = 111.4 sec
    362 dex = 111.4 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    361 dex = 123.9 sec
    360 dex = 124.0 sec
    359 dex = 123.6 sec
    356 dex = 123.8 sec
    335 dex = 126.6 sec
    320 dex = 127.6 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    319 dex = 140.4 sec
    315 dex = 141.0 sec
    310 dex = 142.6 sec
    295 dex = 142.2 sec



    (2.6 sec) Tested with hib baseline nuke and 2.6s major heal
    424 dex = 110.5 sec
    385 dex = 110.4 sec
    380 dex = 110.8 sec
    377 dex = 111.5 sec
    375 dex = 111.6 sec
    374 dex = 111.3 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    373 dex = 122.6 sec
    340 dex = 126.0 sec
    333 dex = 128.6 sec
    332 dex = 129.8 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    331 dex = 141.6 sec
    330 dex = 141.4 sec
    326 dex = 140.8 sec
    319 dex = 141.2 sec



    (2.7 sec) Tested with 2.7s major heal
    392 dex = 108.6 sec
    391 dex = 110.3 sec
    388 dex = 110.4 sec
    386 dex = 110.2 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    385 dex = 119.1 sec
    384 dex = 121.0 sec
    357 dex = 125.4 sec
    350 dex = 126.3 sec
    345 dex = 128.1 sec
    344 dex = 126.9 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    343 dex = 140.8 sec
    342 dex = 141.3 sec
    340 dex = 140.9 sec
    336 dex = 141.2 sec
    333 dex = 142.0 sec



    (2.8 sec) Tested with menta spec nuke, animist ST bomb and 2.8s major heal
    405 dex = 110.4 sec
    402 dex = 110.6 sec
    398 dex = 110.8 sec
    394 dex = 111.3 sec
    392 dex = 111.5 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    391 dex = 125.6 sec
    390 dex = 126.2 sec
    388 dex = 126.1 sec
    386 dex = 126.5 sec
    380 dex = 126.5 sec
    379 dex = 127.2 sec
    375 dex = 127.1 sec
    370 dex = 126.8 sec
    365 dex = 126.7 sec
    360 dex = 127.0 sec
    356 dex = 127.1 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    355 dex = 141.2 sec
    340 dex = 142.3 sec
    333 dex = 142.4 sec
    326 dex = 142.0 sec
    324 dex = 142.1 sec
    321 dex = 142.8 sec
    320 dex = 143.1 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    319 dex = 154.0 sec
    318 dex = 153.2 sec



    (2.9 sec) Tested with 2.9s major heal
    382 dex = 126.0 sec
    368 dex = 126.8 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    367 dex = 135.2 sec
    366 dex = 136.6 sec
    364 dex = 136.2 sec
    362 dex = 136.3 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    361 dex = 141.2 sec
    354 dex = 142.3 sec
    336 dex = 141.6 sec
    334 dex = 141.2 sec
    332 dex = 142.5 sec
    --------------------------- Breaking point ---------------------------
    331 dex = 154.3 sec
    330 dex = 154.4 sec
    323 dex = 158.4 sec



    (3.0s delve) Tested with menta confusion and 3.0s major heal
    424 dex = 126.0 sec
    403 dex = 126.8 sec
    384 dex = 127.2 sec
    380 dex = 127.0 sec
    375 dex = 128.0 sec
    374 dex = 127.6 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    373 dex = 141.6 sec
    369 dex = 142.3 sec
    346 dex = 144.0 sec
    339 dex = 147.1 sec
    338 dex = 149.8 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    337 dex = 158.4 sec
    335 dex = 158.0 sec
    322 dex = 158.4 sec



    (3.5 sec) Tested with lvl 30 spreadheal
    382 dex = 156.4 sec
    370 dex = 157.2 sec
    365 dex = 158.4 sec
    360 dex = 157.9 sec
    358 dex = 158.0 sec
    356 dex = 157.7 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    355 dex = 171.5 sec
    354 dex = 173.6 sec
    326 dex = 173,2 sec
    ---------------------------- Breaking point ----------------------------
    325 dex = 188.0 sec
    324 dex = 188.5 sec
    321 dex = 189.5 sec
    316 dex = 188.7 sec
    301 dex = 190.5 sec
    Last edited by Stangkilla; 07-14-2012 at 08:52 PM.

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    CREDIT GOES TO GyddGydd

    gonna see if i can get this added to the stick thread, but

    Tested for breakpoints using 9% cast speed, with 2.2, 2.5, 2.7, 2.8 and 3.0 speed spells, combining data with druid and data previously tested by myself. I also didn't bother finding the highest breakpoint for the 2.2 and 2.7 spells, sorry. Compare them to the break points found in the original thread, and add the amount of dex to find the estimated break point. (+6 for 2.2 spells, +5 for 2.5, +6 for 2.7, +0 for 2.8, +8 for 3.0)

    2.2s (level 32 greater heal)

    315 --> 126s
    322 --> 124s
    325 --> 124s
    =============Break===========
    326 --> 111s
    327 --> 112s
    345 --> 110s

    -estimated breaks at 374 and 380 dex


    2.5s (level 4 druid ae root)

    315 --> 141s
    322 --> 138s
    323 --> 136s
    324 --> 136s
    =============Break===========
    325 --> 126s
    331 --> 124s
    356 --> 125s
    366 --> 124s
    =============Break===========
    367 --> 116s
    368 --> 114s
    380 --> 113s
    405 --> 111s

    2.7s (level 26 major heal)

    315 --> 142s
    322 --> 144s
    331 --> 142s
    345 --> 138s
    349 --> 140s
    =============Break===========
    350 --> 121s
    356 --> 123s
    368 --> 124s

    -estimated break at 392 dex

    2.8s (level 46 baseline heal) breakpoints found were the same as 10% cast speed

    315 --> 146s
    331 --> 142s
    355 --> 137s
    =============Break===========
    356 --> 126s
    368 --> 126s
    380 --> 126s
    391 --> 125s
    =============Break===========
    392 --> 110s
    396 --> 111s

    3.0s (level 46 damage add)

    315 --> 158s
    331 --> 157s
    345 --> 154s
    =============Break===========
    346 --> 142s
    347 --> 140s
    350 --> 138s
    379 --> 142s
    =============Break===========
    380 --> 129s

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    Thanks alot for getting this here stang.

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    YOU'RE WELCOME FOR MY SEMI COMPLETE TESTING :>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gydd View Post
    YOU'RE WELCOME FOR MY SEMI COMPLETE TESTING :>
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    interesting that the 2.8 has same breakpoints with 9 cast speed

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    From what ive ascertained from several posts, 6% spell haste has the same effect as 9% spell haste? Please correct me if im wrong im thinking of changing up my suit.

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    I would give anything to find out the breaking point for 2.6 spell with 9% casting speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imstillapawn View Post
    From what ive ascertained from several posts, 6% spell haste has the same effect as 9% spell haste? Please correct me if im wrong im thinking of changing up my suit.
    As long as you use the 3% cast speed myth :****sure:

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    Still chasing higher dex tests (including the 400-420 range) for 3.0s & 9% cast speed if you're keen Gydd (or anyone for that matter), could hook you up with a copy of a certain template in return

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    I was wondering if there was plans to do this with a 4.0 speed spell.. for cure near site. this seems to be something we cast alot as healers in good fights.

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    I am willing to pay someone to test the breaking points for 2.6 seconds at 9% casting speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Novoal7 View Post
    I am willing to pay someone to test the breaking points for 2.6 seconds at 9% casting speed.
    Wouldn't mind knowing this for my SM, even though I went ahead and spec'd for 380 dex to cap speed on demez.
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    Actually, I have come to a solution for myself.

    As I would still like to know the breaking point, it is not worth my time or money.

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    I'd like to see the break points on the Warlock's 3.1s range primer.
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    how do you all not understand how easy it is to do this
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gydd View Post
    how do you all not understand how easy it is to do this
    That's irrelevant.

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    I'd take a guess and say that 2.6 with 9% requires 380 dex.

    2.6 and 3.0 with 10% is 374 dex, and 3.0 with 9% is 380 dex. Would be easy to test.
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    wtb molvik cast speed tests!


    IE 7 cast speed and whatever the dex cap is in there

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    Anyone figure out the 3.1s breaking point for Warlocks?
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    Need a 4.0 test with AE shears are 4.0.

    I may try to do at some point
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    thank you!

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    What's dex break point for 3.0 speed spell with 7 cast speed?

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    Too bad only Slajzer data is in here. I posted a bunch of sub 10% cast spd break points in VN thread

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    this was a great discovery. I have one question/concern, however: Has anybody tried duplicating these tests with other races and gotten similar results? Sometimes the modeling/graphics causes these things to be inconsistent.
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