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    Default Nightshade Lurikeen vs. Celt

    Hi.

    I started with a Lurikeen Nightshade,
    I wanted to play with Pierce.
    He is 3lx now and lvl49.
    Other players thought but that Slash the damage is better.
    Is this correct and Pierce would be worse on nightshade against Slash?

    Would be a Celt better now because he has 20 more strength and constitution?

    The Lurikeen has more speed.

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    celt~

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    elf is the best race :>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tty~ View Post
    elf is the best race :>

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    Celt
    + 20 strengh vs. lurikeen and elf
    + 20 constitution vs. lurikeen and elf
    - 20 quickness vs. lurikeen (15 elf)
    - 3% crush boni vs. lurikeen

    Elf
    - 5 quickness vs. lurikeen
    - 5% crush boni vs. lurikeen
    - 20 constitution vs. celt
    - 20 strengh vs. celt
    - 20 strengh vs. celt

    Lurikeen
    +20 quickness vs. celt (5 elf)
    + 5% crush boni vs. elf (3 celt)
    - 20 strengh vs. celt
    - 20 constitution vs. celt

    No reason to go Elf.

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    Elf is purely for looks


    Luri/Celt matters nothing imo

    It's all personal preference


    Celt is harder to template imo cause you need to worry about getting higher quick in template and thus I would always roll luri

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    And you prefer Blade over Pierce?

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    It's easier to template blades

    Pierce is quite nice though for the 50 style

    all depends what temp/spec etc u plan on running as to which will be the better choice

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    Celts can be fine with quick I've ran 35 in a temp before and did well.

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    You checked calculator for weaponspeed? (Meleespeed Bonus + Quicknes + Cele)

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    The only real 'problem' with Celts are the quickness. You need 74 to hit the softcap assuming no points are put in it. Creating a good template tends to be based around obtaining the optimum amount of bonus from the minimum amount of SC slots. Celts pretty much force you to either use an extra SC slot for that quickness or engineer yourself a clever work around in order to use the single slot, which tends to net you some item utility loss. Having said that, it doesn't really require much genious to figure out decent solutions to this. It just takes slightly more effort.

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    Celt or bust you would be foolish to roll anything else.

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    OP is such a revolting minmaxer.
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    This should never be a question.

    If a Lurikeen can be it, you roll it a Lurikeen, period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Card View Post
    This should never be a question.

    If a Lurikeen can be it, you roll it a Lurikeen, period.
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    celt or dont make a ns

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    celt have +120hits and 80 WS if slash

    but LURI is so sexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxy


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    Celt for performance regardless of spec. Elf or Keen for looks.

    I'd never change Kienon from an Elf.
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    Correct me if I'm wrong guys,

    just wanted to share my last thoughts about that with people that have played stealthers for some time, I'm brand new to the stealth thing, rolled celt myself, and just hit RR5 this last week end, but I'm seriously thinkin about starting anew on a luri, thrust has bonus on both alb and mid chain, and that's what I'm finding out there, furthermore, brits, highlanders, norse all have slash resistance from race, and no resistance in thrust. for the other mid races, almost all have both slash and thrust resistance, often its 2% thrust 3% slash.
    And I think I'm correct when I say one is getting a higher WS with piercing than blade,

    So really, what's the point in going blade ? and thus going celt?

    There's also the damage from dds that is based on dex, correct? once again thrust and luri means much much higher dex
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    elf ftw if u can play a ns ( if your new to the class then play a celt its opied
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwalker_fr View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong guys,

    just wanted to share my last thoughts about that with people that have played stealthers for some time, I'm brand new to the stealth thing, rolled celt myself, and just hit RR5 this last week end, but I'm seriously thinkin about starting anew on a luri, thrust has bonus on both alb and mid chain, and that's what I'm finding out there, furthermore, brits, highlanders, norse all have slash resistance from race, and no resistance in thrust. for the other mid races, almost all have both slash and thrust resistance, often its 2% thrust 3% slash.
    And I think I'm correct when I say one is getting a higher WS with piercing than blade,

    So really, what's the point in going blade ? and thus going celt?

    There's also the damage from dds that is based on dex, correct? once again thrust and luri means much much higher dex
    Well to start Shadowblades, Hunters, and Infiltrators are resistant to Pierce damage.

    Piercing will always yield higher WS on a NS because of dexterity being the main stat that raises as you level. However, since Piercing is 50% str/dex the WS will remain the same regardless of the race you choose.

    The main advantage to going Blade is because it's much easier to template one stat in strength as opposed too two stats str/dex when going Pierce. Also Blades tends to have better options when it comes to weapon choice.

    Yes DD damage is 100% dex based, but being Luri for the DD damage boost hardly makes it a better race choice.

    Here are the WS and HP comparisons for each NS race based upon Blade/Pierce.

    Lurikeen: Pierce WS 1502, Blade WS 1399, HPs 1989

    Celt: Pierce WS 1502, Blade WS 1460, HPs 2097

    Elf: Pierce WS 1497, Blade WS 1399, HPs 1989

    Personally I prefer Lurikeen for the small size. Also the quickness needed for a Luri to reach the 250 quick cap for evade is only 54; whereas it's 74 on a celt and 59 for an Elf. Luri and Elf also have a 1% higher evade chance compared to Celts.
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    Like I said Celt or don't make one celt is so balanced all te way around. Luri and Elf buffed you might
    Only get 330 str maxed with Celt like 350. The extra weapons kill makes all the difference to not want it. Female Celt NS is way sexier

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    People forget Celt wasn't always an option

    All this "celt is better" or "luri is better" bull$#@! is just paper daoc fluff

    There's nothing I couldn't do on a luri shade that I would be doing any better on a celt

    It's basically player preferences.


    The stat differences will barely impact anything and for each pro to one race, there will be a con somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephead205 View Post
    Luri and Elf also have a 1% higher evade chance compared to Celts.
    why ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwalker_fr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zephead205 View Post
    Luri and Elf also have a 1% higher evade chance compared to Celts.
    why ?
    Because both races have more quick and dex than a celt.
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    Sry mate but I don't follow, everybody says the cap for evade is reached at 250q and 250dex, which as u said urself is obtained with 74 on a celt. so where's that 1% more evade coming from?

    and tx for the good info on WS/HP for each race and spec
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwalker_fr View Post
    Sry mate but I don't follow, everybody says the cap for evade is reached at 250q and 250dex, which as u said urself is obtained with 74 on a celt. so where's that 1% more evade coming from?

    and tx for the good info on WS/HP for each race and spec
    The 1% more evade comes from the Elf having 15 more quick/dex; and the Luri having 20 more quick/dex when both races are compared to a Celt.

    While the evade cap is reached at 250 quick/dex there's still a minimal gain from the racial starting stats of the Elf/Luri. However, the advantage is so minimal (1%) that it has no real affect in actual game play thus it's not important.

    Does this explanation make more sense?
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    GO CELT DAMMIT OR DON'T ROLL ONE AT ALL!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwalker_fr View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong guys,

    just wanted to share my last thoughts about that with people that have played stealthers for some time, I'm brand new to the stealth thing, rolled celt myself, and just hit RR5 this last week end, but I'm seriously thinkin about starting anew on a luri, thrust has bonus on both alb and mid chain, and that's what I'm finding out there, furthermore, brits, highlanders, norse all have slash resistance from race, and no resistance in thrust. for the other mid races, almost all have both slash and thrust resistance, often its 2% thrust 3% slash.
    And I think I'm correct when I say one is getting a higher WS with piercing than blade,

    So really, what's the point in going blade ? and thus going celt?

    There's also the damage from dds that is based on dex, correct? once again thrust and luri means much much higher dex

    Thrust does mean higher des and yes with Luri you will have higher dex correct me if Im wrong but 350 is really all you need buffed. On Celt with 90/90 dex you can hit 350 buffed I believe. But with Celt higher Str and WS! I ran Pierce for awhile and loved it. Rock a Fang OH, MHI Temp. Get some SGs, Pictslayers, Croc Tooth(proc is awesome), Golden Spear, Leggys.

    You will miss the extra Str if you go to Luri

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    At least I've always been under the impression 350 dex is the hard cap

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    I tried a Luri NS after mine hit RR10 in fact I played a RR9 one, missed my Celt too much cause I swear it hits harder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephead205 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamwalker_fr View Post
    Sry mate but I don't follow, everybody says the cap for evade is reached at 250q and 250dex, which as u said urself is obtained with 74 on a celt. so where's that 1% more evade coming from?

    and tx for the good info on WS/HP for each race and spec
    The 1% more evade comes from the Elf having 15 more quick/dex; and the Luri having 20 more quick/dex when both races are compared to a Celt.

    While the evade cap is reached at 250 quick/dex there's still a minimal gain from the racial starting stats of the Elf/Luri. However, the advantage is so minimal (1%) that it has no real affect in actual game play thus it's not important.

    Does this explanation make more sense?
    Ok so that cap is not absolute, got it, tx



    I'm gonna fix me a pierce template for my celt and run it a bit ^^
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    You won't be missing a massive amount of str on a luri


    My luri pissed all over most of the people I fought, 1vX I would stomp people.


    Luri ftw~

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    20 strength isn't as much of a gamechanger as people think. We're talking about the Rogue damage table (only table lower is healer IIRC). Most damage comes from poisons and proc effects from weapons/styles.

    Just play what you like. I played an Elf, arguably the worst stat-wise on paper, but I would never trade it for anything because I looked smexy no matter what I did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynzer View Post
    20 strength isn't as much of a gamechanger as people think. We're talking about the Rogue damage table (only table lower is healer IIRC). Most damage comes from poisons and proc effects from weapons/styles.

    Just play what you like. I played an Elf, arguably the worst stat-wise on paper, but I would never trade it for anything because I looked smexy no matter what I did.
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    Been watching daoc vids, 'cause I got that itch to resub again.

    Tempted to go Elf for the unique factor, but afraid I might gimp myself when I know I'll be rusty and need any advantage I can eek out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumo_007 View Post
    Been watching daoc vids, 'cause I got that itch to resub again.

    Tempted to go Elf for the unique factor, but afraid I might gimp myself when I know I'll be rusty and need any advantage I can eek out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumo_007 View Post
    Been watching daoc vids, 'cause I got that itch to resub again.

    Tempted to go Elf for the unique factor, but afraid I might gimp myself when I know I'll be rusty and need any advantage I can eek out.
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    Glad you enjoyed the vids

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumo_007 View Post
    Been watching daoc vids, 'cause I got that itch to resub again.

    Tempted to go Elf for the unique factor, but afraid I might gimp myself when I know I'll be rusty and need any advantage I can eek out.
    @Molachi , really enjoy your vids. If I play half that good, I'd be happy.
    Dewwwww eet. (Coming from the guy with an Elf Ranger, NS, BM, Champ, and Ment )

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